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    The tennis thread.

    Post by Azarenka on Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:06 am

    I don't care if it's not Wimbledon, you're getting a tennis thread.
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    Re: The tennis thread.

    Post by Chris on Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:13 am

    Djokovic > All.
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    Re: The tennis thread.

    Post by Azarenka on Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:18 am

    Chris wrote:Djokovic > All.

    While he's not my favourite, it's true that he is undisputedly the best right now.
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    Re: The tennis thread.

    Post by Chris on Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:27 am

    Azarenka wrote:
    Chris wrote:Djokovic > All.

    While he's not my favourite, it's true that he is undisputedly the best right now.
    Who's your favourite?
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    Re: The tennis thread.

    Post by Azarenka on Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:31 am

    Chris wrote:
    Azarenka wrote:
    Chris wrote:Djokovic > All.

    While he's not my favourite, it's true that he is undisputedly the best right now.
    Who's your favourite?


    On the men's side, Federer. Class act all round, on court and off.
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    Re: The tennis thread.

    Post by Chris on Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:32 am

    Azarenka wrote:
    Chris wrote:
    Azarenka wrote:
    Chris wrote:Djokovic > All.

    While he's not my favourite, it's true that he is undisputedly the best right now.
    Who's your favourite?


    On the men's side, Federer. Class act all round, on court and off.
    I like Tsonga the best but he's not on the same level as Federer, Nadal, Djokovic etc Mad
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    Re: The tennis thread.

    Post by Azarenka on Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:36 am

    Chris wrote:
    Azarenka wrote:
    Chris wrote:
    Azarenka wrote:
    Chris wrote:Djokovic > All.

    While he's not my favourite, it's true that he is undisputedly the best right now.
    Who's your favourite?


    On the men's side, Federer. Class act all round, on court and off.
    I like Tsonga the best but he's not on the same level as Federer, Nadal, Djokovic etc Mad

    Tsonga won't do as well because he plays the most entertaining tennis out of those four Laughing The game right now is too homogeneous, suits the players who just are happy to rally for hours and hours. That's partly why Federer is declining I think - he can't last long enough without making an error now, not consistently anyway.
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    Re: The tennis thread.

    Post by Chris on Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:42 am

    Azarenka wrote:
    Chris wrote:
    Azarenka wrote:
    Chris wrote:
    Azarenka wrote:
    Chris wrote:Djokovic > All.

    While he's not my favourite, it's true that he is undisputedly the best right now.
    Who's your favourite?


    On the men's side, Federer. Class act all round, on court and off.
    I like Tsonga the best but he's not on the same level as Federer, Nadal, Djokovic etc Mad

    Tsonga won't do as well because he plays the most entertaining tennis out of those four Laughing The game right now is too homogeneous, suits the players who just are happy to rally for hours and hours. That's partly why Federer is declining I think - he can't last long enough without making an error now, not consistently anyway.
    Do you think Murray will ever win a grandslam? I hope not tbh.
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    Re: The tennis thread.

    Post by Reach_Yeah on Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:44 pm

    Can Federer make a serious claim to be the greatest when Nadal and then Djokovic surpass him quality wise while he's still technically in his prime?
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    Re: The tennis thread.

    Post by Chris on Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:38 pm

    Probably not if thats true lol.
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    Re: The tennis thread.

    Post by Azarenka on Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:45 pm

    Chris wrote:
    Azarenka wrote:
    Chris wrote:
    Azarenka wrote:
    Chris wrote:
    Azarenka wrote:
    Chris wrote:Djokovic > All.

    While he's not my favourite, it's true that he is undisputedly the best right now.
    Who's your favourite?


    On the men's side, Federer. Class act all round, on court and off.
    I like Tsonga the best but he's not on the same level as Federer, Nadal, Djokovic etc Mad

    Tsonga won't do as well because he plays the most entertaining tennis out of those four Laughing The game right now is too homogeneous, suits the players who just are happy to rally for hours and hours. That's partly why Federer is declining I think - he can't last long enough without making an error now, not consistently anyway.
    Do you think Murray will ever win a grandslam? I hope not tbh.

    Not unless Nadal, Djokovic & Federer are all injured in the same slam. I think his chances have gone and he blew them all...fortunately :oh:

    Reach_Yeah wrote:Can Federer make a serious claim to be the greatest when Nadal and then Djokovic surpass him quality wise while he's still technically in his prime?

    Federer's 30 years old, he's not in his prime. 2004-07 was Federer's prime, and only Nadal really pushed him then. His achievements surpass any player in the history of the men's game.

    If Djokovic can keep this dominance up for another two or three years, only then could you even discuss the matter.
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    Re: The tennis thread.

    Post by Reach_Yeah on Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:09 am

    Azarenka wrote:
    Federer's 30 years old, he's not in his prime. 2004-07 was Federer's prime, and only Nadal really pushed him then. His achievements surpass any player in the history of the men's game.

    If Djokovic can keep this dominance up for another two or three years, only then could you even discuss the matter.

    I disagree. If Federer is 30 then his physical prime was the past 3 years, during which Nadal and lately Djokovic have dominated. 2004-2007 might have been when he won most of his titles but the quality in opponent wasn't there like there is now.
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    Post by Azarenka on Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:55 am

    Reach_Yeah wrote:
    Azarenka wrote:
    Federer's 30 years old, he's not in his prime. 2004-07 was Federer's prime, and only Nadal really pushed him then. His achievements surpass any player in the history of the men's game.

    If Djokovic can keep this dominance up for another two or three years, only then could you even discuss the matter.

    I disagree. If Federer is 30 then his physical prime was the past 3 years, during which Nadal and lately Djokovic have dominated. 2004-2007 might have been when he won most of his titles but the quality in opponent wasn't there like there is now.

    How'd you work that one out? Neutral Many tennis players retire in their late 20s.
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    Re: The tennis thread.

    Post by kyro7 on Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:10 pm

    Rafa > all.


    Even if Novak is better.


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    Re: The tennis thread.

    Post by Reach_Yeah on Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:32 pm

    Azarenka wrote:
    Reach_Yeah wrote:
    Azarenka wrote:
    Federer's 30 years old, he's not in his prime. 2004-07 was Federer's prime, and only Nadal really pushed him then. His achievements surpass any player in the history of the men's game.

    If Djokovic can keep this dominance up for another two or three years, only then could you even discuss the matter.

    I disagree. If Federer is 30 then his physical prime was the past 3 years, during which Nadal and lately Djokovic have dominated. 2004-2007 might have been when he won most of his titles but the quality in opponent wasn't there like there is now.

    How'd you work that one out? Neutral Many tennis players retire in their late 20s.

    Many female tennis players retire in their late 20s. The only male tennis players who retire at that age are from injury or because they are nowhere near the top and have lost motivation.
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    Re: The tennis thread.

    Post by Azarenka on Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:56 pm

    Reach_Yeah wrote:
    Azarenka wrote:
    Reach_Yeah wrote:
    Azarenka wrote:
    Federer's 30 years old, he's not in his prime. 2004-07 was Federer's prime, and only Nadal really pushed him then. His achievements surpass any player in the history of the men's game.

    If Djokovic can keep this dominance up for another two or three years, only then could you even discuss the matter.

    I disagree. If Federer is 30 then his physical prime was the past 3 years, during which Nadal and lately Djokovic have dominated. 2004-2007 might have been when he won most of his titles but the quality in opponent wasn't there like there is now.

    How'd you work that one out? Neutral Many tennis players retire in their late 20s.

    Many female tennis players retire in their late 20s. The only male tennis players who retire at that age are from injury or because they are nowhere near the top and have lost motivation.

    Exactly, because they're not the player they once were when they were, say, in their mid-20s. There's no doubt Federer is still in great physical condition, but he isn't as quick as he used to be. I still think, on any surface, peak Federer would beat peak Djokovic.
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    Re: The tennis thread.

    Post by Reach_Yeah on Sat Oct 01, 2011 1:06 am

    Azarenka wrote:
    Reach_Yeah wrote:
    Azarenka wrote:
    Reach_Yeah wrote:
    Azarenka wrote:
    Federer's 30 years old, he's not in his prime. 2004-07 was Federer's prime, and only Nadal really pushed him then. His achievements surpass any player in the history of the men's game.

    If Djokovic can keep this dominance up for another two or three years, only then could you even discuss the matter.

    I disagree. If Federer is 30 then his physical prime was the past 3 years, during which Nadal and lately Djokovic have dominated. 2004-2007 might have been when he won most of his titles but the quality in opponent wasn't there like there is now.

    How'd you work that one out? Neutral Many tennis players retire in their late 20s.

    Many female tennis players retire in their late 20s. The only male tennis players who retire at that age are from injury or because they are nowhere near the top and have lost motivation.

    Exactly, because they're not the player they once were when they were, say, in their mid-20s. There's no doubt Federer is still in great physical condition, but he isn't as quick as he used to be. I still think, on any surface, peak Federer would beat peak Djokovic.

    No, my point was they were never really near the top. Maybe Federer was better 5 years ago, but he shouldn't have lost much pace by 30, never did really much on pace, and has more experience now. In terms of finesse he's the best, but when Nadal and Djok came and upped the power levels by a few notches he struggled to keep up. Anyways, we're going round in circles. I only raised the subject to hear a other people's opinions. I think for the time being he's considered just about the all time greatest, but Nadal and Djok have a few years left in them to further cement their claims!
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    Re: The tennis thread.

    Post by Azarenka on Sat Oct 01, 2011 6:56 am

    Reach_Yeah wrote:
    Azarenka wrote:
    Reach_Yeah wrote:
    Azarenka wrote:
    Reach_Yeah wrote:
    Azarenka wrote:
    Federer's 30 years old, he's not in his prime. 2004-07 was Federer's prime, and only Nadal really pushed him then. His achievements surpass any player in the history of the men's game.

    If Djokovic can keep this dominance up for another two or three years, only then could you even discuss the matter.

    I disagree. If Federer is 30 then his physical prime was the past 3 years, during which Nadal and lately Djokovic have dominated. 2004-2007 might have been when he won most of his titles but the quality in opponent wasn't there like there is now.

    How'd you work that one out? Neutral Many tennis players retire in their late 20s.

    Many female tennis players retire in their late 20s. The only male tennis players who retire at that age are from injury or because they are nowhere near the top and have lost motivation.

    Exactly, because they're not the player they once were when they were, say, in their mid-20s. There's no doubt Federer is still in great physical condition, but he isn't as quick as he used to be. I still think, on any surface, peak Federer would beat peak Djokovic.

    No, my point was they were never really near the top. Maybe Federer was better 5 years ago, but he shouldn't have lost much pace by 30, never did really much on pace, and has more experience now. In terms of finesse he's the best, but when Nadal and Djok came and upped the power levels by a few notches he struggled to keep up. Anyways, we're going round in circles. I only raised the subject to hear a other people's opinions. I think for the time being he's considered just about the all time greatest, but Nadal and Djok have a few years left in them to further cement their claims!

    True Laughing The game is going through a weird period at the moment (although pundits seem to be bumming it), it's hard to make comparisons between now and previous years.

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